{"id":583,"date":"2018-05-14T15:36:42","date_gmt":"2018-05-14T13:36:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/charita.sk\/pomoc-utecencom\/?p=583"},"modified":"2020-12-10T20:49:11","modified_gmt":"2020-12-10T19:49:11","slug":"jens-petzoldked-vlastnite-spravny-pasmozete-ist-kam-chcete-to-je-rozdiel-medzi-nami-a-utecencami","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.charita.sk\/svet\/jens-petzoldked-vlastnite-spravny-pasmozete-ist-kam-chcete-to-je-rozdiel-medzi-nami-a-utecencami\/","title":{"rendered":"Jens Petzold:\u201eKe\u010f vlastn\u00edte spr\u00e1vny pas,m\u00f4\u017eete \u00eds\u0165, kam chcete.\u201c"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Otec Jens Petzold poch\u00e1dza zo \u0160vaj\u010diarska, je kres\u0165anom a k\u0148azom, ktor\u00fd sa v\u0161ak obr\u00e1til a\u017e po svojej dobrodru\u017enej ceste v S\u00fdrii. V s\u00fa\u010dasnosti je predstaven\u00fdm kl\u00e1\u0161tora v Sulejmanii, s ktor\u00fdm Slovensk\u00e1 katol\u00edcka charita spolupracuje na projektoch na pomoc \u013eu\u010fom zasiahnut\u00fdch ozbrojen\u00fdm konfliktom v krajine. Na p\u00e1r dn\u00ed sa zastavil na Slovensku a pri tej pr\u00edle\u017eitosti sme sa ho op\u00fdtali na jeho slu\u017ebu a \u017eivotn\u00fa cestu.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ste \u0161vaj\u010diar, predstaven\u00fd kl\u00e1\u0161tora v Iraku, pri\u010dom kres\u0165anom ste sa stali a\u017e v dospelosti. Ako sa to cel\u00e9 stalo?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Od mojich 20 rokov som sa ve\u013emi zauj\u00edmal o duchovn\u00e9 z\u00e1le\u017eitosti. Po pre\u010d\u00edtan\u00ed viacer\u00fdch kn\u00edh som sa rozhodol \u00eds\u0165 tam, kde maj\u00fa n\u00e1bo\u017eenstv\u00e1 svoje korene. V Damasku som str\u00e1vil 7 mesiacov a \u0161tudoval arab\u010dinu. Chcel som precestova\u0165 cel\u00fa stredn\u00fa \u00c1ziu a arab\u010dina sa na to mohla hodi\u0165. Potom ma priate\u013e zavolal do kl\u00e1\u0161tora Deir Mar Musa. Ve\u013emi sa mi tam p\u00e1\u010dilo. Bol som u\u017e na odchode, ke\u010f mi otec Paulo, jeho zakladate\u013e, povedal: \u201eNebudem sa s tebou l\u00fa\u010di\u0165, lebo sa hne\u010f zajtra vr\u00e1ti\u0161.\u201c<\/em> A vr\u00e1til som sa. Toto sa opakovalo nieko\u013ekokr\u00e1t. Posledn\u00fd raz v\u0161ak pri\u0161iel, aby som tam zostal jeden rok na duchovn\u00e9 rozli\u0161ovanie. Uva\u017eoval som, \u010do m\u00e1m robi\u0165. Bolo to pre m\u0148a \u0165a\u017ek\u00e9 rozhodovanie, ale zostal som. Po tom roku som po\u017eiadal otca Paula o krst. A pre\u010do som sa stal kres\u0165anom? Odpove\u010f je ve\u013emi bl\u00edzka tomu, \u010do som h\u013eadal v odpovedi na jednu z mojich z\u00e1kladn\u00fdch ot\u00e1zok: Ako n\u00e1bo\u017eenstv\u00e1 do seba zapadaj\u00fa? Ke\u010f\u017ee som mal \u0161\u0165astie na komunitu, ktor\u00e1 t\u00fato ot\u00e1zku a celkovo medzin\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fd dial\u00f3g berie v\u00e1\u017ene, na\u0161iel som v kres\u0165anstve otvorenos\u0165 vo\u010di in\u00fdch n\u00e1bo\u017eenstv\u00e1m. Zvl\u00e1\u0161tne, nie? (smiech) \u013dudia v\u00e4\u010d\u0161inou uveria na z\u00e1klade osobn\u00e9ho svedectva kres\u0165anov. To s\u00fa dvere, tak sa \u013eudia menia na u\u010den\u00edkov Je\u017ei\u0161a Krista.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Ako tam teda vyzer\u00e1 kres\u0165ansk\u00e1 komunita?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kres\u0165ansk\u00e1 komunita na Strednom v\u00fdchode je ve\u013emi zauj\u00edmav\u00e1. \u0160peci\u00e1lne v S\u00fdrii, Palest\u00edne a Iraku, preto\u017ee kres\u0165ania s\u00fa z\u00e1rove\u0148 pr\u00edslu\u0161n\u00edkmi r\u00f4znych politick\u00fdch, kult\u00farnych \u010di n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdch skup\u00edn. Vezmite si irack\u00e9 mesto Kirkuk. Rozpr\u00e1va sa tam arabsky, kurdsky a turkm\u00e9nsky. V Kirkuku sa najdlh\u0161ie pou\u017e\u00edva turkm\u00e9n\u010dina. Tak\u017ee m\u00e1me kres\u0165anov, ktor\u00fdch materinsk\u00fd jazyk je turkm\u00e9n\u010dina a z ich fyziogn\u00f3mie je jasn\u00e9, \u017ee s\u00fa Turkm\u00e9n\u010dania, a nie Arabi \u010di Kurdi. Potom m\u00e1me kres\u0165anov, ktor\u00ed poch\u00e1dzaj\u00fa v\u00e4\u010d\u0161inou z juhu a hovoria po arabsky a aj kult\u00faru maj\u00fa arabsk\u00fa. Rovnako je to s Kurdami. V ka\u017edej tejto skupine maj\u00fa \u013eudia rozli\u010dn\u00e9 n\u00e1zory na politiku. Pr\u00e1ve pre tieto rodinn\u00e9 put\u00e1 s\u00fa kres\u0165ania najlep\u0161\u00edmi partnermi na vyjedn\u00e1vanie a dial\u00f3g medzi t\u00fdmito skupinami, ktor\u00fd vedie k mieru. Toto je charizma n\u00e1s kres\u0165anov. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ak\u00e9 je postavenie kres\u0165anov na Strednom v\u00fdchode? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kres\u0165ania s\u00fa tu vysoko cenen\u00ed \u013eudia. Maj\u00fa najlep\u0161ie \u0161koly, kam chodievaj\u00fa deti \u0161t\u00e1tnych predstavite\u013eov. D\u00e1 sa jasne rozpozna\u0165, \u017ee mnoh\u00e9 veci s\u00fa v tamoj\u0161ej spolo\u010dnosti v\u010faka kres\u0165anstvu. Pozn\u00e1m mnoho osobn\u00fdch svedectiev kres\u0165anov, ktor\u00ed pom\u00e1haj\u00fa miestnym \u013eu\u010fom bez rozdielu a neh\u013eadia na ich n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9 presved\u010denie. Je tu mnoho lek\u00e1rov, ktor\u00ed lie\u010dia chudobn\u00fdch. Taktie\u017e iniciat\u00edva biskupa Yousifa Thomasa Mirkisa. Zriadil polikliniku, ktor\u00e1 je otvoren\u00e1 naozaj pre v\u0161etk\u00fdch. Robia v nej spolo\u010dne kres\u0165ania a moslimovia. V\u0161etci sa dobrovo\u013ene rozhodli pracova\u0165 v tak\u00fdchto podmienkach. Je to jeden z pr\u00edkladov, \u017ee \u017ei\u0165 a pracova\u0165 spolo\u010dne napriek rozli\u010dn\u00e9mu vierovyznaniu je mo\u017en\u00e9. Nie je to nie\u010do,\u010do by pri\u0161lo automaticky, ale d\u00e1 sa to.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Ak\u00e9 probl\u00e9my maj\u00fa \u013eudia v Iraku? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ve\u013ek\u00fdm probl\u00e9mom pre v\u0161etk\u00fdch je n\u00e1js\u0165 si pr\u00e1cu. St\u00e1le je tu pr\u00edtomn\u00e1 ve\u013ek\u00e1 iniciat\u00edva vybudova\u0165 nanovo cel\u00e9 dediny na Ninivskej planine, nielen tie kres\u0165ansk\u00e9, ale aj moslimsk\u00e9 a jez\u00eddske. Je tu snaha, ale spolu s \u0148ou tu mus\u00ed by\u0165 ekonomick\u00e1 pomoc. Nie je to v\u0161etko len o peniazoch, ale aj o know-how, o firm\u00e1ch, ktor\u00e9 sa vr\u00e1tia \u010di investuj\u00fa do tohto regi\u00f3nu, aby sa vytvorili pracovn\u00e9 pr\u00edle\u017eitosti pre mlad\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed a t\u00fdch, ktor\u00ed u\u017e pr\u00e1cu mali, ale ju stratili. Toto je ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9. Ak chceme, aby tento regi\u00f3n mal bud\u00facnos\u0165, mus\u00ed sa rozv\u00edja\u0165. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ak\u00fa bud\u00facnos\u0165 m\u00e1te na mysli?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bud\u00facnos\u0165 \u017eivota. \u013dudia nikdy nebud\u00fa tam, kde si nem\u00f4\u017eu zarobi\u0165 na \u017eivobytie. \u013dudia neop\u00fa\u0161\u0165aj\u00fa krajinu len preto, lebo na nich niekto namieril zbra\u0148. \u0160peci\u00e1lne pr\u00edbeh Talianska alebo \u0160vaj\u010diarska ukazuje, \u017ee chudoba bola v\u017edy siln\u00fdm faktorom, pre\u010do \u013eudia odch\u00e1dzali. Predt\u00fdm to bola Amerika a mili\u00f3ny \u013eud\u00ed odi\u0161li, preto\u017ee vo svojej krajine si nezarobili dostatok. Zvl\u00e1\u0161tnos\u0165ou je, \u017ee \u013eudia odch\u00e1dzali aj zo \u0160vaj\u010diarska.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ste predstaven\u00fdm kl\u00e1\u0161tora v Sulejmanii v Iraku, ktor\u00fd je zasiahnut\u00fd probl\u00e9mom migr\u00e1cie a ute\u010dencov. Zo d\u0148a na de\u0148 ste ubytovali 250 \u013eud\u00ed. Ak\u00e9 to je by\u0165 ute\u010dencom?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ke\u010f vlastn\u00edte pas, v mojom pr\u00edpade \u0161vaj\u010diarsky, alebo pas jednej z kraj\u00edn Eur\u00f3pskej \u00fanie, tak si m\u00f4\u017eete vybra\u0165, kam chcete \u00eds\u0165, vycestova\u0165, kde chcete pracova\u0165. To je ve\u013ek\u00fd rozdiel medzi nami a ute\u010dencami, napr\u00edklad S\u00fdr\u010danmi, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa teraz v Iraku. Alebo tak\u00ed vn\u00fatorn\u00ed vys\u00eddlenci, museli od\u00eds\u0165 zo svojich domovov, ale tie\u017e nie s\u00fa v\u017edy prij\u00edman\u00ed s l\u00e1skou a pochopen\u00edm. Psychologicky je to \u00faplne odli\u0161n\u00e9 postavenie. Bu\u010f m\u00e1te slobodn\u00fa vo\u013ebu, alebo n\u00fadzu, v ktorej sa rozhodujete.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Ak\u00e9 to bolo na za\u010diatku? Ako a kedy ste si vybrali, \u017ee chcete pom\u00e1ha\u0165? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

V roku 2014, hne\u010f potom, ako Daesh (tzv. Islamsk\u00fd \u0161t\u00e1t) zabral cel\u00fa Ninivsk\u00fa planinu, sme mali 60 \u013eud\u00ed pred dverami n\u00e1\u0161ho kl\u00e1\u0161tora. Vtedy nebola namieste ot\u00e1zka, \u010di pom\u00e1ha\u0165, alebo nepom\u00e1ha\u0165. Bola to vec mor\u00e1lky. Museli sme pom\u00f4c\u0165. Ubytovali sme ich teda v kl\u00e1\u0161tore, bolo to v auguste, a potom v septembri sa \u010d\u00edslo zv\u00fd\u0161ilo na 250 ute\u010dencov. V na\u0161ej farnosti ich bolo celkovo 5000. Vyzer\u00e1, \u017ee je to ve\u013ek\u00e1 vec, ale mus\u00edte si predstavi\u0165, \u017ee a\u017e 1,6 mili\u00f3na \u013eud\u00ed pri\u0161lo do regi\u00f3nu Kurdistan. Kurdistan je ob\u00fdvan\u00fd Kurdami, ktor\u00fdch s\u00fa tam 4 mili\u00f3ny, a arabsk\u00ed ute\u010denci maj\u00fa probl\u00e9m ,\u017ee Kurdi rozpr\u00e1vaj\u00fa po kurdsky a nie po arabsky, maj\u00fa odli\u0161n\u00e9 zvyky. Napr\u00edklad v Sulejmanii chodia \u013eudia sp\u00e1va\u0165 celkom skoro, vst\u00e1vaj\u00fa zav\u010dasu a jed\u00e1vaj\u00fa presne o 12:00. Arabi v\u0161ak chodievaj\u00fa do postele dos\u0165 neskoro, obeduj\u00fa o 14:00 a vst\u00e1vaj\u00fa nesk\u00f4r. Tak\u017ee s\u00fa tu konflikty v organiz\u00e1ci\u00ed mesta Sulejmania, kde je 200 000 ute\u010dencov a men\u0161iny maj\u00fa tak 10-20 000 jez\u00eddov \u010di kres\u0165anov. Toto prin\u00e1\u0161a konflikty do spolo\u010dnosti a men\u00ed dynamiku mesta.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hovorili ste o kult\u00farnych a n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdch rozdieloch. Ako dod\u00e1vate \u013eu\u010fom entuziazmus v tak\u00fdchto podmienkach?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

V na\u0161om pr\u00edpade mus\u00edte najprv hovori\u0165 o potreb\u00e1ch, preto\u017ee v\u0161etci t\u00edto ute\u010denci museli od\u00eds\u0165 zo svojich domovov nar\u00fdchlo. Nebolo to tak, \u017ee sa mohli pripravi\u0165 a zbali\u0165 si v\u0161etko, \u010do potrebuj\u00fa. Napr\u00edklad na\u0161i kres\u0165ania pri\u0161li na aut\u00e1ch, ale bez \u010fal\u0161ieho oble\u010denia. Toto bol ve\u013ek\u00fd probl\u00e9m. D\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 je sa p\u00fdta\u0165, ak\u00e9 s\u00fa ich potreby, a zv\u00e1\u017ei\u0165, ktor\u00e9 s\u00fa objekt\u00edvne. Mo\u017eno s\u00fa v \u0161oku, maj\u00fa traumu, niekedy si nevedia zv\u00e1\u017ei\u0165, \u010do naozaj potrebuj\u00fa. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pracujete na viacer\u00fdch charitat\u00edvnych projektoch. M\u00f4\u017eete n\u00e1m ich bli\u017e\u0161ie pop\u00edsa\u0165?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

V posledn\u00fdch rokoch m\u00e1me v Sulejmanii v irackom Kurdistane projekt, kde sa star\u00e1me o spom\u00ednan\u00fdch 250 \u013eud\u00ed. S pomocou va\u0161ej Charity (Slovenskej katol\u00edckej charity a Konferencie biskupov Slovenska, pozn. autora) a s Caritas Irak sme zak\u00fapili gener\u00e1tor elektrickej energie. V Sulejmanii, hoci je to modern\u00e9 mesto v r\u00f4znych in\u00fdch aspektoch, sme na tom s dod\u00e1vkami energie ve\u013emi zle. Slovensk\u00e1 katol\u00edcka charita n\u00e1m pom\u00e1ha aj s \u010fal\u0161\u00edm projektom, ktor\u00fd je dlhodobej\u0161\u00ed. Pom\u00e1ha s v\u00fdstavbou \u017eensk\u00e9ho kl\u00e1\u0161tora a domu pre \u017eeny. Tento dom je tie\u017e s\u00fa\u010das\u0165ou v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ieho projektu, ktor\u00fd je zameran\u00fd na kult\u00farny a medzi n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fd dial\u00f3g medzi Sulejmaniou a \u010fal\u0161\u00edmi \u010das\u0165ami Iraku. Postupne ho staviame, pon\u00fakneme 35 l\u00f4\u017eok na duchovn\u00e9 cvi\u010denia, na stret\u00e1vanie ml\u00e1de\u017ee. Na pr\u00edzem\u00ed chceme ma\u0165 priestor pre mal\u00e9 konferencie a celkovo bude tento dom miestom aj pre \u017eeny. Miesto, kde bude priestor na dial\u00f3g o postaven\u00ed \u017eien na Strednom v\u00fdchode.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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\u010co pre v\u00e1s teda znamen\u00e1 Charita?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Charita nebola zalo\u017een\u00e1, aby bola len charitat\u00edvnou organiz\u00e1ciou. Pre m\u0148a je to n\u00e1stroj pastor\u00e1cie, ktor\u00fd uskuto\u010d\u0148uje l\u00e1sku Je\u017ei\u0161a Krista. L\u00e1sku ku v\u0161etk\u00fdm a predov\u0161etk\u00fdm k znev\u00fdhodnen\u00fdm. Slu\u017eba je kore\u0148om a d\u00f4le\u017eitou s\u00fa\u010das\u0165ou Charity rovnako pre t\u00fdch, ktor\u00ed pomoc dost\u00e1vaj\u00fa, ako pre t\u00fdch, ktor\u00ed ju d\u00e1vaj\u00fa. S\u00fa to \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed pom\u00e1haj\u00fa v\u010faka organiz\u00e1cii.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ako sa t\u00e1 l\u00e1ska prejavuje?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

V prvom rade je d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 pozrie\u0165 sa na slovo charita, poch\u00e1dza zo slova caritas. M\u00e1me prekr\u00e1snu encykliku emeritn\u00e9ho p\u00e1pe\u017ea Benedikta, ktor\u00fa p\u00edsal o agap\u00e9, caritas a eros. Odpor\u00fa\u010dam, aby ste si ju pre\u010d\u00edtali. (Encyklika Deus Caritas est, pozn. autora) Caritas je starostlivos\u0165 o druh\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed, nie je to len o d\u00e1van\u00ed, je to o prebrat\u00ed zodpovednosti. Je odpove\u010fou, ke\u010f kon\u00e1te z presved\u010denia, a nie iba z povinnosti. Je to rozhodnutie pre druh\u00fdch. Je jednou z troch foriem l\u00e1sky. Je to l\u00e1ska k druh\u00fdm, je to to, \u010do Je\u017ei\u0161 priniesol na kr\u00ed\u017ei, z\u00e1chrana ka\u017ed\u00e9ho. Preto caritas nem\u00f4\u017ee by\u0165 anonymn\u00e9 d\u00e1vanie, ale je to tie\u017e z\u00e1ujem o \u010dloveka, ktor\u00e9mu pom\u00e1hate. Nie je to o kvantite. Ke\u010f hovor\u00edme o ute\u010dencoch v na\u0161om kl\u00e1\u0161tore, tak hovor\u00edme o mu\u017eovi, \u017eene, rodin\u00e1ch, o \u013eu\u010foch, ktor\u00ed v tomto momente nie s\u00fa schopn\u00ed zabezpe\u010di\u0165 si v\u0161etky z\u00e1kladn\u00e9 potreby, ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa. Je to ve\u013ek\u00fd z\u00e1v\u00e4zok pom\u00f4c\u0165 \u010dloveku v n\u00fadzi, ak m\u00f4\u017eem. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Zhov\u00e1ral sa: J\u00e1n Ko\u0161ta<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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